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Danny Ryan:Hello and welcome to the ThreeWill podcast. This is your host, Danny Ryan. I have Pete Skelly and Kirk Leimohn here with me, two of the attendee of the Microsoft Ignite conference from last week. We’ve done zero prep for this, right guys?


Kirk:That is correct.


Pete:That is correct.


Danny Ryan:This is how I like to roll. This is how I like to roll. I just wanted to talk with you guys, just decompress from last week. I spent a lot of time at the booth, so I wasn’t in any of the sessions. I just wanted to talk with you guys about some of the things that you learned last week. If you’ve got insights, that’s great. I imagine you’re still processing a lot of things from last week.


Kirk:Yes. Yeah.


Pete:Yeah. For sure.


Danny Ryan:For sure.


Pete:A lot to take in.


Kirk:Yes for sure.


Pete:There’s a lot of sessions I wanted to see that I didn’t see. Hopefully I’ll get to some of those online.


Danny Ryan:You have access to those after the conference.


Pete:Yeah. I think everyone does, for many of the sessions at least.


Danny Ryan:Okay. What were the … First off, overall impressions of the conference. At a high level, try to say something that I would understand. That sort of level. Overall impressions of the conference and anything that you took away from the entire week.


Kirk:Got exercise.


Danny Ryan:Good. Exercise is good. You got your steps on your Fit bit?


Kirk:Yes. Yeah. I thought the venue, actually was great. I’ve been to the Georgia World Congress Center before. I don’t think I’ve been to a conference that took over all three parts of the World Congress Center. I thought it was pretty well done, from that standpoint.


Pete:Yeah. I would say given the size of that conference, the number of attendees. There were a lot of complaints about the venue. It’s a very challenging thing to do, to corral twenty five thousand people. Really well run. I thought they did a good job of splitting up … Across the three buildings. There’s three buildings in the World Congress Center. Splitting up things that were office related into, I think it was A for the most part. A lot of infrastructure things were in C. It kind of kept you, at least, in one spot for the day.


Danny Ryan:At least they tried to keep you in one of the buildings. I know if you made a mistake and showed up to the wrong building that could be a very painful situation.


Kirk:It could cost you an hour.


Danny Ryan:It could cost you an hour. Yes. I think one of the best tips I got, the pro tip for if you’re ever at the Georgia World Congress Center, is that you can get from, what is it? B to C, through a little tunnel area. That tunnel area saved me a lot of time.


Kirk:If they have it open, which they did during the day, but not the early morning.


Danny Ryan:In the early mornings if you had one of the E’s … I had an exhibitor pass. It wasn’t just an E. They would let you through then. It was one of the very rare situations where an exhibitor was able to get in and others were not. I know you planned out the week and wanted to hit a lot of sessions. Were you able to hit 50% of them? What … How about a rough number. 20%? 10%


Kirk:Yeah, ten. I hit … I mean I didn’t miss any sessions.


Pete:You were triple booked.


Kirk:I was quadruple and more booked when I first created my plan for the week and I had to cull things out and narrow it down to one or two, and then decide the last minute on some of those.


Danny Ryan:What were any of your favorite sessions that you attended?


Kirk:I’ve got one I can answer real quick and then Pete can go. Most of mine were technical sessions, but one of my favorite, actually, was not a technical session. It was what’s new in the SharePoint document library. I forget the exact title. I’ll try and come up with it here. Review SharePoint document library is what’s new, what’s coming, and when to use what. I thought that was fabulous. I learned about that as a user. I thought that was good. There were several technical ones as well that I enjoyed.


Pete:I’d have to say one really good technical talk that was out of the typical realm for me was a document TV. One of the more enjoyable talks was Scott Hanselman on the first day. Both Kirk and I attended that. It was kind of fun.


Danny Ryan:Nice.


Kirk:I got a lot out of a few that I went to around flow and power apps, logic apps. I think those are things I want to explore more, just haven’t had a chance to yet.


Danny Ryan:Were you able to do any of the hands on labs or anything like that? Were you able to get any time to go do that? I know that’s a lot to ask.


Pete:I certainly did not. Between attending the actual sessions and trying to network with some folks. That was probably the biggest negative of the venue. It was so big that you didn’t really have time to get to a hands on lab, get back to another session that you might want to attend, or meet up with folks.


Danny Ryan:I guess you weren’t able to get any certifications while you were there.


Kirk:Unfortunately not. There were some that were around.


Danny Ryan:I first asked a dumb question. That’s a dumber question. What were you saying Kirk?


Kirk:There were some, actually that were around, getting certifications for a certain test or something, passing a certain test. I didn’t go to any of those. The closest I got to hands on labs were … Maybe a session I was at for, say, the graph API. I had my laptop open and was hitting the in points at the same time they were doing the session. That’s about as close as I got.


Pete:I heard you were mentioned on the Twitter. I heard you were …


Kirk:There was one session I went to where they mentioned in the beginning, you can use this hashtag if you’re tweeting. I tweeted a few times during that session and others. The demo they had the most recent tweets, I guess, organized by user and there my name was. I took a picture of that and then tweeted that picture to show that I had made the demo.


Danny Ryan:How meta Kirk.


Kirk:It was.


Danny Ryan:How totally meta.


Kirk:I forget which session that was. It was earlier in the week, though.


Danny Ryan:Tell me what the plan is from here, now that you guys have … It seemed like you tried to go after what you could during the week. It was a really packed, full week. What’s the plan right now to take what you … The content that’s out there and share it with people inside of ThreeWill.


Pete:We’ve got a session tomorrow planned where we’re going to go through and compare notes. Kirk and I attended, for the most part, different session. We had a couple that were the same session that were critical to what we do at ThreeWill. We’re going to go through and plan out some potential [inaudible 00:07:49] that we’ll do internally. Then, maybe a recommended list of things that we didn’t get to attend, that we might want folks to watch, or things that people could do on their own time as well.


Danny Ryan:Nice. Very nice. I guess with regards to … Did you spend any time at all in the expo and learn anything from anybody in the expo?


Kirk:Yeah. Not a lot, for me. I was there, from time to time. Number one, there are also little theater sessions there. Usually late in the day, like 5:30 or 6 PM. I went to couple of those. Those were more fun ones for me. One was an IOT one. There was another one that was related to migration. I did spend a little bit of time with the booth. Talked to a couple people at the booth we had there. Spent some time at Metalogics and talking to them a little bit.


Danny Ryan:Were you able to see Contently?


Kirk:Yes. For a short period of time, yes.


Danny Ryan:Awesome. Very cool. I just did a podcast a week or so ago with Lane about Angular 2. Was there any Angular 2 stuff at the conference?


Pete:Oh yeah. That was one of the sessions that both Kirk and I attended was a session by John Papa on Angular 2 and TypeScript. I know Lane had mentioned, he’s bought into Angular and typeScript for Angular 2 and TypeScript. To me, I think it’s just a matter of time. That makes so much more sense, that model between Typescript and Angular 2. The changes in the API, if you will. Some of the tool chain for dot net developers … It’s going to be a learning curve if you haven’t done it yet.


Some of the things like Gulp and trying to use some of the module loader technology and some of the new constructs for TypeScript and the way Angular 2 changed. It’s definitely going to be … It’s more enterprise grade. Let’s put it that way. The interesting thing of that topic to me, I don’t know about Kirk, but, John Papa went through and looked at some statistics overall for some of the framework and competing frameworks and Angular 1, Angular 2 and React. The closest follower doesn’t even register in comparison to those three. As far as choosing, if I’m going to learn something. Does is have legs? Is it going to stand the test of time? Certainly, React is up there. SharePoint Framework is using it and so does a lot of other groups internally, and Microsoft, apparently. If you’re going to choose something, Angular 1 still has a huge following, but Angular 2 already … It was only released, what, three weeks ago … Already has, I think, six hundred forty seven thousand downloads. It was a fairly big number, considering two weeks of being RTM’d, if you will, or a full release for two dot o.


Danny Ryan:I’m already using it on the site. That’s how cutting edge I am. I could be using it. I have no idea if I am or not. If somebody else out there built some sort of plug in that’s using it, then, yes I am. I have no idea. React. I don’t think I’ve talked to anybody about React. What is … At a high level.


Kirk:Maybe, Tim has touched it, I thought.


Danny Ryan:Did he talk about React?


Kirk:I don’t know if he talked to you about it.


Danny Ryan:It wasn’t me. I don’t think. I usually remember the acronyms or the names of different things.


Kirk:I think Facebook created it. They certainly use it heavily. It’s less opinionated, I guess is the word, than Angular. It’s a lot easier for … I haven’t used it so Pete can probably talk to it better than I can. I’ll just mention that one reason that the SharePoint framework uses it is because you can use your own framework on top of it. It would be harder to use another framework on top of Angular. That’s one reason to use React if you’re going to be a framework for others.


Pete:I think we just found a podcast for Tim.


Danny Ryan:Ahhhh. The next one … I’ll put that down, that he can talk about React. Assuming he’s using it. I guess he’s using it on his project now.


Pete:He has used it.


Danny Ryan:He has used it. Is it UI framework then?






Danny Ryan:Excellent.


Pete:Yet another JavaScript framework.


Danny Ryan:Yet another JavaScript framework. Have you created your own JavaScript frameworks yet?




Danny Ryan:All the cool kids are doing it, man. They’re all doing it. Congratulations Kirk and Pete. You guys won an award.


Kirk:And Will Holland.


Danny Ryan:And Will Holland. Much respect.


Kirk:Rob was helping too.


Danny Ryan:And Rob. Anybody else you want to throw in? Any?


Kirk:That’s good enough.


Danny Ryan:Okay. You don’t want to mention your wife or children.


Pete:My fifth grade teacher.


Danny Ryan:Your fifth grade teacher. Excellent. That’s well done. For innovation, who would have thought? For innovation. That’s awesome.


Kirk:Thanks to you and Pete for writing that award up.


Danny Ryan:This was for a project where you had basically built upon … The award was for Metalogics. For folks who don’t know what happened, they had a meta heroes award, where they were recognizing people in the community who had done different things … One of the awards was for innovation, which was what Kirk and the team got. We nominated him for a project where they basically, you built on content matrix as a framework and we built out or own custom solution on that.


Kirk:Yeah. We automated the copying of content from one environment to another and automated triage and the scheduling and all sorts of things around it.


Pete:Multiple mode management. Scheduling multiple content matrix instance running jobs across multiple modes in Azure.


Danny Ryan:I’m ready to use that again very soon. Very soon. We are on the look out. Anything else. Party wise, we were able to go to the Metafest party, I know. At least some of us were there. Some of us were there later than others. These conferences wear me down. Always by the end … Close to the end of the week I’m coming down with a cold or not feeling well. I wasn’t able to make it the last night to the final festival.


Kirk:I think Tommy was the only one that made that.


Danny Ryan:Tommy was the only one who made it. Okay. Hey, we’re


Kirk:I was going to buy I didn’t know if anyone else was going, so I just, I took off.


Danny Ryan:Everybody put the L to your forehead. We didn’t make it through the week. We can’t. I would’ve shown up if U2 was playing there. I would’ve definitely have been there. I heard U2 couldn’t make it, so I ended up going home and sleeping heavily. That’s a fact.


Kirk:Yep. Same here.


Danny Ryan:Catching up from the week. Boy, I was exhausted. Any final words before we wrap this up.


Pete:I think, probably the biggest take away for me as far as Microsoft 365 and SharePoint was concerned, is SharePoint seems to be back, if it ever left. I’m not sure, some folks would say, the popularity, or at least the buzz from Microsoft’s messaging was waning in the last two years. Certainly, with Jeff Teeper’s return and some of the innovations that they’re coming out with, as far as the SharePoint framework, really doubling down on the groups integration, within Microsoft 365 and on Pram. The changes that they’re making with SharePoint 2016 on Pram and the feature pack releases or feature releases. I’m excited about both Microsoft 365 and SharePoint 2016 on Pram now. That was waning in the last couple of years.


I will say this, I think their one message needs to be tightened up as far as the enterprise content management. Things around … the story around customization for the SharePoint framework groups. How it integrates with Flow and Power Apps and Power BI and those types of things, was really compelling story during Ignite. I think some of the things that are lacking, as far as, why was SharePoint so popular in the first place. Really the ECM functionality and it’s enterprise capabilities. One of the things that I didn’t hear much of, and tried to have several conversations around was that ECM story of what is going to be the story around content types and manage meta data and those types of things, given all the changes that they’re making. Some real good, some not so good with the UI and the new document library experience and those types of things. I would just say it’s exciting to see SharePoint come back in the forefront again.


Danny Ryan:SharePoint is back, baby! I’m back baby.


Pete:Someone send out a … Someone tweeted and it got re-tweeted several times, a graphic that showed what tags were used the most in the conference and SharePoint was the largest by far. They were ahead of Azure, I think. They were ahead of everything.


Kirk:I think in the end they finished like second or third, but the first two days was all SharePoint. It was John White. If you just Google John White and Power BI, the first couple of slides that will come up, or things that will come up will be Ignite references at this point, I would imagine.


Danny Ryan:Thank you. I appreciate you guys taking the time to decompress here and talk about the week. Look forward to sharing lots of this crunchy goodness from the conference with everybody else here at ThreeWell. It’s great to hear that there is a renewed focus in on SharePoint. I think we all are excited about that. That’s wonderful to hear. I’d just thank you for taking the time to do this. Thank you, everyone for listening and have a wonderful day. Thank you. Bye bye.



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